I”m a big Brian Greise fan and I have been since I watched him embarrass Ryan Leaf in the Rose Bowl.
So when I hear someone blaming Griese for Denver's failings during his stint as Denver’s starting QB, I take some pleasure in setting the record straight.
Statistically Griese more than held his own, especially against Denver’s new sweetheart QB, Jake Plummer (who I use only as a comparison, not because I want to badmouth him).
Under Griese in '02, Denver had the #2 ranked offense in the league. Only Oakland was better and then only fractionally so – Denver had 6,090 total yards, Oakland had 6,237.
Griese also had a 66.7 completion percentage in ‘02. In ‘03, Plummer’s was 62.6.
While Griese threw only 15 TDs, he also threw only 15 INTs, and the fact that Denver still managed over 6,000 yards (3,214 yds of that came thanks to Brian’s arm) says that he was not only effective in moving the team, but that an outstanding running game lowered his overall numbers.
Denver’s Defense was also ranked #2 for the ‘02 season, but it was massive breakdowns in the defensive secondary and along the defensive front (remember the idiotic one man rushes against Oakland?) that caused several important losses (like that humiliating defeat to Oakland). The defense also allowed one fewer point than the offense scored for the season.
In ‘02 Greise had the offense scoring 24.5 pts per game. Unfortunately, the defense was giving up 21.5.
In ‘03 Plummer and the offense scored 23.8 points per game, not as good as Griese’s numbers from the year before. But Denver still went to the playoffs. Why? Well, that’s easy, it’s because the defense only allowed 18.8 pts per game. That’s a huge change from the previous year.
The previous year, 2001, Griese threw for 23 TDs and 19 INTs. The offense put up only 4817 yds – which would make them the 21st ranked offense – , but Griese’s arm counted for 2,827 yards of that. Even with the lowered output in yardage, Griese still managed to put up 21.3 pts per game – which really makes them the #10 ranked offense – , while the supposedly #4 ranked defense gave up 21. 2 pts per game – which really makes them the #12 ranked defense.
During the ‘01 season Denver’s O was also faced with an avalanche of injuries, yet poor pathetic Brian Griese still had the offense outperforming the defense in the only area that matters – scoring.
And before you rag on Griese for his ‘01 INTs, that same year Kurt Warner threw 22 INTs, Peyton Manning threw 23 and even Brett Favre tossed fifteen balls to the other team.
So that brings to the modern age and Plummer is a hero where Griese was a fop. But Plummer has yet to match Griese’s performance, even while benefitting from 1. A FAR healthier offense and 2. The departure of Ray Rhodes and his moronic defensive schemes; schemes which consistently overcame offensive excellence the previous two seasons.
Plummer threw for only 2,182 yds last year with only 15 TDs, and his completion percentage (62.6) was lower than Griese’s in the previous two seasons. The offense as a whole had a pretty nice 5598 yds total, but still isn’t up to what Griese squeezed out of it the previous year.
Then there are those of you who say really smart things like, “Griese was a dink and dunk QB! That’s why he had such a high completion percentage!”
Right, it wasn’t smart quarterbacking, it was wimpishness responsible for Griese’s success. Yet Jake Plummer’s ‘03 Yards Per Attempt was 7.23, while Griese’s ‘02 YPA was 7.37. So not only was Griese’s ‘02 completion percentage higher than Plummer’s ‘03 completion percentage (62.6), but his average pass was longer than Plummer’s, too. Or maybe what you’re really saying is that Plummer is a “dink and dunk” QB, too. No? Didn’t think so.
Some of you might now whine that “Greise wasn’t a leader! He had no heart!”, yet – as I mentioned before – the offense lead by this wimp of a QB surpassed that lead by Plummer in both the cosmetic Yards Passing statistic, but also in the far more than cosmetic Points Scored statistic.
I guess you also failed to watch the ‘01 game where Griese tore his rotator cuff, but continued playing like a gunslinger after the injury and bought Denver a victory against AFC West rival Oakland.
Whether you measure him by his heart, by his ability to lead or by his statistics, Brian Griese did a damn fine job as the Denver Broncos’ starting QB.
In summary, the Denver Broncos did not fail in ‘01 and ‘02 because of Brian Griese, they failed because of the defense - specifically because of a weak secondary and poor defensive schemes introduced by Ray Rhodes. The Broncos also did not succeed in ‘03 because they replaced Griese with Plummer. They succeeded because they got rid of Ray Rhodes and as a result the defense finally started holding up its end of things.
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I don't think anyone outsid... (Below threshold)1. Posted by Teddy Dupay | March 30, 2004 4:47 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
I don't think anyone outside of Denver (and I'm not even sure they give it a second thought anymore) cares. I'm a big fan of the NFL, but whether Brian Griese was bad for Denver is not even on the list of things 'I really, really don't care about.' All I know is Griese wore out his welcome in Denver, deserved or otherwise, but it was certainly no one's fault but his own that he couldn't beat out Jay Fiedler in Miami. The guy has underachieved his whole career and the fact that he's with his third team before the age of 30 is a testament to that.
1. Posted by Teddy Dupay | March 30, 2004 4:47 PM |
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2. Posted by Tom | March 30, 2004 7:43 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Yeah, even as a Broncos fan I'm surprised not only by the fact that Griese is still an issue, but the heat accomanying discussions about him. Such a "conversation" on the official Broncos website BB is the inspiration for this post.
And, no, he hasn't underachieved his entire career. Even Mike Shannahan would not put Griese down based on his ability, his heart or his toughness. Shannahan only bemoaned Griese's style of play as not being in line with his (Shannahan's) preferences -- that being the Elway style.
I don't believe Shanny would have been happy with ANY pocket passer short of perhaps a young Marino.
What did Greise play last year? three full games and parts of two more? He had one brilliant game, two lousy games and two pretty good games. He won two close games, lost two close games and lost a blowout.
When did he come in? Was it week 8? So he went half the season with almost no reps, came in and performed at an overall mediocre level. Why is that surprising?
It seemed to me that he was just hitting his stride when he was replaced by Fiedler and what did Jay do? He relieved Greise in the middle of one game, played even worse than Brian had played that day, then started the next week against a weak Washington team, bearly pulled out a one point win and was even more inconsistent than Griese the rest of the time.
In fact, Miami was inconsistent all season long on both sides of the ball. You could expect either unit to play like heros one week and like a HS team the next. It was a miracle that they were actually in the hunt for the final wildcard spot.
I guess this year will tell one way or the other. Last season Griese came in late and -- if I remember correctly -- was recovering from surgery. This year Griese will have an entire offseason to prepare for and fight for the starting job.
Rob Johnson has an edge, in that he's been in the system for a couple years. But Griese is the better QB and I'll be surprised if he fails to nail down the starting job.
2. Posted by Tom | March 30, 2004 7:43 PM |
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Posted on March 30, 2004 19:43
3. Posted by Larry | April 27, 2004 12:25 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Brian's successes speak for themselves and the times he genuinely played with injuries spoke volumes about his courage and dedication to his team. Brian's a gentleman and a bright guy, attributes that are, sadly, increasingly underappreciated in today's society. Having him on a team was like having another coach/analyst on staff, and his understanding of the flow of the offensive game should have been better utilized by his coaches. If he returns to the game I hope he is physically sound: if he is, he still has the tools and talent to make a team better.
3. Posted by Larry | April 27, 2004 12:25 AM |
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Posted on April 27, 2004 00:25